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07-09 01:11 AM
Well, we had a good debate on Radio on KPFK today.
I would like to thank Rajiv Khanna, Stuart Anderson, Carl Shusterman, Ashish and Swadha for participating on this show.Also Aman and Ashish for arranging this with Debo.
Today, a caller called the show when Debo opened the phone lines and this guy, named Mike, went on and on about how H1B program is similar to slave trade and H1B workers live like insects by piling up 10 people in a one-bedroom apartment and work 100 hours a week for 30 thousand dollars a year bla bla bla.
Without studying due process, or policy analysis, simply crying "Slave Trade", "H1B stole my job...waaaah...waaah", "H1B replaced me...waaah...waaah", they create good sound bites and play victims.
Really, H1B program and employment based greencard program, that brings professionals in skilled occupation into this country to fill a shortage of skilled workers has been vindicated beyond limit.And they keep beating the same drums."They steal jobs"."They drive down wages".They make good soundbites.And they make good quotes for Lou Dobbs.
Let me say this to Mike and the likes of Zazona.com
Employers dont just go around spending thousands of dollars on H1B fees and greencard fees to hire a guy with foreign accent if a native citizen was available.And they do not underpay them, because they HAVE to pay prevailing wages based on the wages determined by the Department of labor.If they apply for greencard, then that's because they want him on a permenant basis and there is a another labor certification process for that too, where there are newspaper and other advertisements for the job available to citizens first.Upon not finding a suitable fit, they file for labor certification.And let me remind you all that it takes 2-3 years for department of labor to do that coz they do an exhaustive review of the job offer.
Go Here on this link of Department of labor (http://ows.doleta.gov/foreign/perm.asp)and read the process for yourself.This system is designed to protect the citizens and IT WORKS.
Now in a few cases, if there was fraud, then that doesnt mean that the system does not work and should be abolished.Its like saying that we should abolish driving privileges of everyone just because some drivers drive drunk and kill pedestrians.By that token, we must also ground all commercial air travel because sometimes the planes crash and they kill people.
Another accusation is that H1B employees pay for their own fees sometimes and also for lawyer's fees.And they work like donkeys.Well, not everyone pays for the lawyers.In some rare cases, if the employees hire lawyers, its their own choice, for their own comfort and for their own complicated cases which are many time due to problems of their own making.Why would the employer pay for individuals immigration problems that are not tied to H1B or GC petitions filed by Lawyer?As to working additional hours, its called overtime my dear friend.And they are paid to do that.No one works for free.And no one works for less.If they are paid less than what they think they deserve, then they quit the employer and go to another employer next door who pays them more and treats them fairly.
And ya, another thing.Biggest subscriber of H1B program, especially since the late 90s has be the IT industry.Unemployment in IT industry is less than 2%.If H1B program is really making life worse, I am sure IT industry unemployment would have been more than national average of 5%.
And now, let me mention a few slaves and their slave-masters that I am really proud of...
There are nearly 2000 doctors who are on their path to permenant residency(Green card) in America.They are under Conrad-30 (J1) program.They serve 4 million americans in medically underserved areas.These are rural areas where its hard to find a proper grocery store, let alone a Doctor.
One of my friends works as a Doctor in Yuma, Arizona.The greencard process for him stalls him for years and years to move to a more desirable area even if he has done his due of serving in rural areas for X amount of years.His process would start over again if the area is no longer medically underserved.
And then there are nurses, who also make it to America from all over the world on H1B program.Now, if you've ever been to a Hospital, you would know that its not really the most pleasant job in the world.And there is a severe shortage of nurses in America.Even a 5 year old knows this.So by abolishing H1B program and employment based immigration program, you would get rid of the SLAVE nurses too, who work 12-hour shifts on jobs that American born RNA nurses dont accept.
Such Doctors and nurses are a beacon of hope to 4 million Americans where healthcare is difficult to come by.If such Doctors are slaves, then I am proud of those slaves and their slave masters, and I would love to be either one of them any given day of the week.
-Have a great weekend-
I would like to thank Rajiv Khanna, Stuart Anderson, Carl Shusterman, Ashish and Swadha for participating on this show.Also Aman and Ashish for arranging this with Debo.
Today, a caller called the show when Debo opened the phone lines and this guy, named Mike, went on and on about how H1B program is similar to slave trade and H1B workers live like insects by piling up 10 people in a one-bedroom apartment and work 100 hours a week for 30 thousand dollars a year bla bla bla.
Without studying due process, or policy analysis, simply crying "Slave Trade", "H1B stole my job...waaaah...waaah", "H1B replaced me...waaah...waaah", they create good sound bites and play victims.
Really, H1B program and employment based greencard program, that brings professionals in skilled occupation into this country to fill a shortage of skilled workers has been vindicated beyond limit.And they keep beating the same drums."They steal jobs"."They drive down wages".They make good soundbites.And they make good quotes for Lou Dobbs.
Let me say this to Mike and the likes of Zazona.com
Employers dont just go around spending thousands of dollars on H1B fees and greencard fees to hire a guy with foreign accent if a native citizen was available.And they do not underpay them, because they HAVE to pay prevailing wages based on the wages determined by the Department of labor.If they apply for greencard, then that's because they want him on a permenant basis and there is a another labor certification process for that too, where there are newspaper and other advertisements for the job available to citizens first.Upon not finding a suitable fit, they file for labor certification.And let me remind you all that it takes 2-3 years for department of labor to do that coz they do an exhaustive review of the job offer.
Go Here on this link of Department of labor (http://ows.doleta.gov/foreign/perm.asp)and read the process for yourself.This system is designed to protect the citizens and IT WORKS.
Now in a few cases, if there was fraud, then that doesnt mean that the system does not work and should be abolished.Its like saying that we should abolish driving privileges of everyone just because some drivers drive drunk and kill pedestrians.By that token, we must also ground all commercial air travel because sometimes the planes crash and they kill people.
Another accusation is that H1B employees pay for their own fees sometimes and also for lawyer's fees.And they work like donkeys.Well, not everyone pays for the lawyers.In some rare cases, if the employees hire lawyers, its their own choice, for their own comfort and for their own complicated cases which are many time due to problems of their own making.Why would the employer pay for individuals immigration problems that are not tied to H1B or GC petitions filed by Lawyer?As to working additional hours, its called overtime my dear friend.And they are paid to do that.No one works for free.And no one works for less.If they are paid less than what they think they deserve, then they quit the employer and go to another employer next door who pays them more and treats them fairly.
And ya, another thing.Biggest subscriber of H1B program, especially since the late 90s has be the IT industry.Unemployment in IT industry is less than 2%.If H1B program is really making life worse, I am sure IT industry unemployment would have been more than national average of 5%.
And now, let me mention a few slaves and their slave-masters that I am really proud of...
There are nearly 2000 doctors who are on their path to permenant residency(Green card) in America.They are under Conrad-30 (J1) program.They serve 4 million americans in medically underserved areas.These are rural areas where its hard to find a proper grocery store, let alone a Doctor.
One of my friends works as a Doctor in Yuma, Arizona.The greencard process for him stalls him for years and years to move to a more desirable area even if he has done his due of serving in rural areas for X amount of years.His process would start over again if the area is no longer medically underserved.
And then there are nurses, who also make it to America from all over the world on H1B program.Now, if you've ever been to a Hospital, you would know that its not really the most pleasant job in the world.And there is a severe shortage of nurses in America.Even a 5 year old knows this.So by abolishing H1B program and employment based immigration program, you would get rid of the SLAVE nurses too, who work 12-hour shifts on jobs that American born RNA nurses dont accept.
Such Doctors and nurses are a beacon of hope to 4 million Americans where healthcare is difficult to come by.If such Doctors are slaves, then I am proud of those slaves and their slave masters, and I would love to be either one of them any given day of the week.
-Have a great weekend-
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bfadlia
01-07 03:22 PM
Jesus didn't change any commandments.Read bible and comment.He said about the summary for the 10 commnandment.He said 1.love your God 2.Love your neighbour.It contains all commandments.Read the commandments.You will see it contains these 2 meanings only.
Jesu's birth, life and cruxification are done according to the prophesy in old textment.If you have time read it.Christians didn't changed old testment.But most of the jews not recognise him during the time.Those recognise him convert to christianity.They suffered because of their non belief.But details in the bible for the second coming of jesus and the nation of Israel to prepare for his coming, so the present day jews are supported by God.In the end they all belive the mesiah.
About trinity, we human cannot understand the complexity of God.We still cannot understand or expalin the nature misteries, how we can understand God in detail??.But God revealed some details to his people through prophet.Malachi is the last prophet.It is the last book in the old testment.After the mesiah was come to the world.God was revealed to human.
Thank you so much for the information although I think I never asked about the trinity or salvation or the return of the messiah (only said the yearning for that return should not be used to justify one people displacing another and taking their land)..I respect jesus..all muslims do..let god deal with us for not accepting jesus as his son and just please stop using him as a scarecrow and leave Mohamed alone too..
peace.
Jesu's birth, life and cruxification are done according to the prophesy in old textment.If you have time read it.Christians didn't changed old testment.But most of the jews not recognise him during the time.Those recognise him convert to christianity.They suffered because of their non belief.But details in the bible for the second coming of jesus and the nation of Israel to prepare for his coming, so the present day jews are supported by God.In the end they all belive the mesiah.
About trinity, we human cannot understand the complexity of God.We still cannot understand or expalin the nature misteries, how we can understand God in detail??.But God revealed some details to his people through prophet.Malachi is the last prophet.It is the last book in the old testment.After the mesiah was come to the world.God was revealed to human.
Thank you so much for the information although I think I never asked about the trinity or salvation or the return of the messiah (only said the yearning for that return should not be used to justify one people displacing another and taking their land)..I respect jesus..all muslims do..let god deal with us for not accepting jesus as his son and just please stop using him as a scarecrow and leave Mohamed alone too..
peace.
Marphad
12-30 04:20 PM
I think I agree with quite a lot of what you say.But I think there is some truth in Pakistani fears that India is already supporting anti-state actors in Pakistan, like in Balochistan.
I don't think we all want that.
I don't think even all Indians want that.
I don't think its in the interest of India, or anyone else for that matter, to have a huge Afghanistan on its Eastern border.
Well my personal opinion, I don't believe it is true.Actually Pakistan doesn't need India for all this.It is capable by itself.By sheltering Dawood and Azhar Masood what do you expect?A university of peace?
I don't think we all want that.
I don't think even all Indians want that.
I don't think its in the interest of India, or anyone else for that matter, to have a huge Afghanistan on its Eastern border.
Well my personal opinion, I don't believe it is true.Actually Pakistan doesn't need India for all this.It is capable by itself.By sheltering Dawood and Azhar Masood what do you expect?A university of peace?
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I didn't understand what you have said about me.I never used in my life any vulgar language.What I did is copy and paste a PM send by the guy started the tread to enlist support for the terrorist.Eventhough I have received my GC, I did visit the IV site every day and share my experience, expertise.I never used this site for any personal or religious agenda.You can check my previous post rather than this tread.
But what made me furious is, the guy started the tread, already got GC, and his only aim is to make hatred and make support for terrorists.He is from India and he didn't like people in this forum discuss about the Bombay attack.So to challege that he started the tread.(READ HIS EXPLANATION ABOUT IT IN THIS TREAD).That is why many including me become furious.Many in this forum came from India, it is natural that they used to speak about some politics, natural calamity, accident etc.But this guy want to discuss about some thing not related to 99.99% of the people.He want to abuse the Jews.They are abused from all quarters from 2000 years.Now they have a voice.
I never contribute or visited any religious or any forums before.But after read his view, I did a research and give him reply.But he responded with vulgur language, which I did pasted.It is your responsibility to see to stop putting these kind of posts.If some one post anything religious things, others will respond.
DON'T ACCUSE ME OF PUTTING PROFANE LANGUAGE.
I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND.
you called all non christian nations "satanic nations that will be wiped out", called 95% of egyptians war children, brain washed bastards and terrorists..u r right, u don't use vulgar language, only racist hate speech..
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Until AD 1100, everybody in Egypt are christians, the arabs conquer there and killed many and convert them.Few are left as christians.Now only 10%.Ask any egyptian christians.They need to pay JAZIA to be live as christians.The language COPTIC now only in church.Coptic sound similar to Latin.Abrabs imposed their language, where ever they conquer.They cut the tongue of people, who spoke native language.See in India, moguls made Urdu and make Arabic script for it.Egyptian christians are only real egyptians.Muslim egyptians are mixed people with Arab warriors.War children.
Real egyptians are here in USA, you can talk to them, they are nice people no terrorist, brain washed bastards.Go to a coptic chrch and see these people.
Same happened in Kashmir.Pandits are the real Kashmiris.The Kashmiri muslims are children of the Kashmiri women and arab invaders.Now they kicking real Indian pandits out from kashmir, and they live in own country as refugees.
In the end all terrorist, satanic nations wiped out at the second coming of Jesus.Those good muslims belive him will be saved.Others will go to hell.".
